Final Boss Friday’s is a video game debate, discussion and overall friendly talk between all the members of the Game Savvy team about the industries current issues, accomplishments, and current news. On Friday’s everyone is asked discussion questions and for the remainder of the day, we let the conversation flow as naturally, friendly, and overall as fun as possible. We really hope you guys enjoy as we had a lot of fun doing this and we hope to continue in the future. Every discussion will be posted on Friday! Thank you and enjoy!
Discussing The Nominee’s For The Game Awards
Kaitlyn Red Wing [11:18 AM]
Too bad @Sterling is dead and can no longer host FBF
Em [11:18 AM]
Is the ghost of Sterling still going to be present?
TylerMV [11:27 AM]
Alright we shall BEGIN! Anyone who isn’t currently present can add their answers to the questions later if they so desire.
Question 1: What do we generally think about the line up (for GOTY) this year?
Let’s start with the big question about Game Of The Year. Don’t answer who you think will win (we’ll be touching on that in the next couple of weeks) But what do we generally think about the line up this year? (edited)
As a reference, we can use my beautifully done write up of this year’s nominee’s for the Game Awards.
Em [11:30 AM]
I think it’s pretty typical for game of the year selections. Games that got a lot of buzz are the ones that get picked. It’s nice to see a bit of variation in game theme. It’s likely most game lovers would have played at least one of those titles.
Kaitlyn Red Wing [11:32 AM]
I think the lineup is typical, but not in a bad way. I think there were so many great games released this year it’s hard to believe they all came out within the past year
Em [11:34 AM]
Yeah I agree. It’s nice to see Monster Hunter: World on there, because it was a game no one really expected to be as hugely popular as it was.
Kaitlyn Red Wing [11:34 AM]
It’s also impressive for Sony with having God of War have 8 nominations all-together. Though the PlayStation user-base is high, it’s still impressive to see so much talk and love for a console-exclusive
Agreed, @Em, MHW definitely deserves a nomination but I was still surprised it got one.
TylerMV [11:36 AM]
@Kaitlyn Red Wing why were you surprised Monster Hunter: World got a nomination for GOTY? Just curious.
Kaitlyn Red Wing [11:41 AM]
I think I was just expecting Dead Cells or Forza Horizon 4 to take a spot and even with MHW’s critical success I felt like I didn’t see a lot of people talking about it as being a GOTY contender.
Em [11:42 AM]
I previously didn’t pay much attention to game awards before hanging out with all of you nerds, so is it typical for an online mp focused game like MHW to be nominated? It seems like heavily story focused games are the usually suspects
TylerMV [11:44 AM]
@Em Overwatch won in 2016 and Call Of Duty and Diablo have won in the past a bunch of times so it’s common.
@Kaitlyn Red Wing that’s a perfect segway into my next question
Question 2: Were there any games, that were omitted from the GOTY list?
When Joseph Yaden wrote his review for Dead Cells on Game Savvy, he claimed that it had his vote for game of the year. Were there any games, in your opinion, that were omitted from the 2018 GOTY list? (edited)
Em [11:49 AM]
Honestly, I don’t think so. There were a lot of other games that were immensely popular within their fan bases, but these were the games I heard absolutely everyone talking about.
Kaitlyn Red Wing [11:56 AM]
Probably just Forza Horizon, it’s one of the best racing games I’ve ever played and I was hoping to see it get that recognition for GOTY but I’m not that upset it wasn’t there.
TylerMV [11:58 AM]
I was surprised I didn’t see Dead Cells on there personally. I thought that was going to be the indie game to take a spot on the GOTY list because of all the high praise. So I was doubly surprised to see Celeste on there. Not that Celeste isn’t a high-quality game, you just usually don’t see games like Celeste make the list so I’m extremely happy for the team. (edited)
Question 3: What do you think about Celeste being nominated for Game Of The Year? Does this open the door for more indie games to get recognized at this level?
With that being said, what do you think about Celeste being nominated and what do you think this means for other indie devs moving forward? Does this open the door for more indie games to get recognized at this level? (edited)
Kaitlyn Red Wing [12:03 PM]
I’m so glad Celeste is up there. It has one of the best stories and I loved the way it’s told throughout the game. I also think the huge success of the Switch and how popular it’s become for Indie games has made that market very popular with a lot of room for growth. I hope to continue seeing indie games get recognized because some of my all-time favorite games are indie games
TylerMV [12:07 PM]
@Kaitlyn Red Wing, the consensus is that the GOTY award will most likely be up between God Of War or Red Dead Redemption 2. Do you think Celeste has a chance in hell of winning the award when they’re up against two juggernaut games in terms of quality, budget and popularity?
Kaitlyn Red Wing [12:10 PM]
If it were solely up to the public vote, then I’d say it had no chance. But that’s not the case, and I think it has a strong chance of winning. Not all games have to have the best graphics or budgets to be a great game.
Em [12:15 PM]
I haven’t played Celeste, but I’m definitely in support of more recognition going to Indie games. The general public need to be made more aware of the fact that there are so many good games they probably would enjoy.
TylerMV [12:16 PM]
Just to @Kaitlyn Red Wing point, I know back in 2012 the game Journey and Telltale’s The Walking Dead came out in a year when Borderlands 2, Dishonored and Mass Effect 3 also came out. Journey ended up taking GOTY at the DICE awards and The Walking Dead took GOTY at the Game Award. So there is certainly precedence for an indie title taking the award. But my count, there’s about a 7% chance of that happening so we’ll see. I think it certainly makes it more exciting to have a game like Celeste in the running.
Nana Marfo [12:18 PM]
Didn’t What Remains of Edith Finch win the Bafta?
TylerMV [12:19 PM]
Yep! That’s correct. Amazing game too
Kaitlyn Red Wing [12:20 PM]
Oh, another great one!
Also, I forgot to add Night in the Woods to games I would have loved to see in the GOTY category. I know it won at the Independent Game Festival this year
Oh wait or was it released last year? Nvm I think it was
I just played it this year. Ignore me
Question 4: Did the Game Awards take the easy route and simply choose the most popular games, or are these really the best of the best from this year?
Both @Em and @Kaitlyn Red Wing used the terms “typical” to discuss the GOTY line up specifically. My opinion is that the games aren’t as diverse as previous years and the “typical” list can make the Game Awards seem rather boring when we see a lot of the same games in different categories. Do you consider this list rather “boring”? And do you think the Game Awards took the easy route and simply chose the most popular games or do you agree that these are indeed the best of the best?
Em [12:27 PM]
I think anyone will call the list boring if they don’t see a game they personally enjoyed on it.
Nana Marfo [12:27 PM]
Like the RPG genre has a lot of good games in there.
GOTY is also tough, but I would say between RDR2, SPIDER-MAN and, GOW
TylerMV [12:29 PM]
brb going to Farm Boy for a sandwich.
Em [12:29 PM]
I also think if they start classifying the “best” without taking popularity into account it becomes an Oscar’s situation, where a handful of people decide what they think is good based on their own criteria. The game of the year should showcase what people played and talked a lot about
Kaitlyn Red Wing [12:29 PM]
To me, I think a typical game to be nominated or to win is some type of action-adventure game or a first-person shooter. But we have Celeste, a platformer indie game; AC:O, an action role-playing game; and MHW, another action-role-playing game. I think there are some unique variations to the “typical” game that I don’t find it boring. And no first-person shooter.
@Em but if they just based GOTY on what the majority of people played and talked about you’re limiting those games that are on one system and/or an indie game that didn’t reach as huge of an audience as did those who are made by huge companies across multiple systems
Em [12:33 PM]
Yeah, I’m not saying exclusively base it on that, just that it needs to be taken into account.
Kaitlyn Red Wing [12:43 PM]
Agreed, and I think 10% of the final vote is from the public I think it is covered. Plus with the addition of being able to boost your vote on the GOTY site also attributes to the games that are most popular.
TylerMV [1:02 PM]
It’s so tough. Because the popular vote means Fortnite, aka the Justin Bieber of video games, wins every time. I do like the balance of 90% by committee and 10% population. It leans onto the side of quality as judged by a panel of experts while also taking popularity somewhat into account.
Question 5: Do you think the Game Awards has a responsibility to take the full gaming spectrum into account?
Do you think the Game Awards has a responsibility to dig a little deeper and find more obscure, high-quality indie games that should be nominated, taking the full gaming spectrum into account? (They could very well do this already, but what’s your opinion)
Em [1:06 PM]
I would say that they should for some of the other game categories, particularly the ones that are genre specific. Not necessarily for game of the year, for the reasons discussed above.
Kaitlyn Red Wing [1:10 PM]
I think they did a pretty good job this year on being very well-rounded. There are a lot of games that were nominated that not many people have heard of or are a little more obscure. Just going through the nominations, I see a lot of smaller games. Plus with the inclusion of “Student Games” I think they’re trying to really give a platform to games that are hard to find
Em [1:12 PM]
The categories really cover everything, all of my favorite 2018 games are in at least one category
TylerMV [1:13 PM]
@Kaitlyn Red Wing I agree. They have categories for indie games, mobile games, and student games so their reach has to be pretty wide. I wonder if they actively go looking for games or you have to submit your game for entry to be nominated. Probably makes more sense to have to submit your game for nomination rather than them looking for an infinite amount of games.
And ya I agree @Em they really cover everything. I think they did a really good job with their selections this year.
Kaitlyn Red Wing [1:14 PM]
It’s done by submissions and there’s no fee for submissions which is great, especially for those lower-budget games.
TylerMV [1:15 PM]
That’s great to know! I’ll be submitting my text adventure for 2019 (smiley emoji)
Question 6: Which categories are you most excited for / most interested to see the outcome of?
*Question 6*: Which categories are you most excited for / most interested to see the outcome of?
Em [1:16 PM]
Haha guess mine
TylerMV [1:16 PM]
Em [1:16 PM]
For real though, my predictability aside I really loved Deadfire and would love to see it win the RPG category
Also the voice acting, because I’m a big supporter of voice actors and I like to see them get recognized. I would love it if the actress for Kassandra in AC Odyssey won that.
Kaitlyn Red Wing [1:18 PM]
Best Performance and Best Narrative are two of my most-anticipated for.
Yes I loved Melissanthis performance for Kassandra. I also really enjoyed Bryan Dechart in D:BH
And though I haven’t finished RDR2, Roger Clark as Arthur has been really good
TylerMV [1:21 PM]
Ya those are great categories for recognizing and celebrating some underrated talents in the industry. @Kaitlyn Red Wing who do you have taking best narrative?
Kaitlyn Red Wing [1:31 PM]
I’m going to go with Detroit: Become Human for best narrative. The three storylines had such impactful stories and came together so well that I was very invested in the story. Though I would have liked to see Celeste in that category because I’d say that had a better narrative than any of the nominees.
TylerMV [1:34 PM]
Damn shots fired. My most anticipated and exciting categories are A) Best Ongoing Game because I’d like to see No Man’s Sky by Hello Games take that award. The work they’ve put in to turn that game around took a TON of effort and I hope this is their grand recognition of that effort. It’s probably the most difficult thing in the world to sway the opinion of gamers and they’ve seemed to have done that. B) Best Score / Music Nominee’s. As a musician, the scores from these games have always fascinated and inspired me and I hope to work on a couple someday so I’m always checking out this category. Haven’t listened to all of the nominee’s but I’m really liking God Of War’s soundtrack so far which would get my vote.
Kaitlyn Red Wing [1:37 PM]
I really need to listen to the scores for those games and then maybe I’ll be more excited because I love that category too. Just haven’t paid much attention this year.
TylerMV [1:38 PM]
I’ve been listening at work. Some have been meh, like I haven’t exactly enjoyed Red Dead or Celeste. But God Of War has been pretty fantastic.
Question 7: Which category do you think is the weakest this year?
Which category do you think is the weakest this year?
Kaitlyn Red Wing [1:39 PM]
Weakest, as in the nominees aren’t that good or the whole category itself isn’t great?
TylerMV [1:40 PM]
Nominee’s aren’t that good BUT if you have a category you’re not particularly fond of, go for it 🙂
Em [1:44 PM]
I think best ongoing game is weak. It’s a bit all over the place and ongoing games are more popular now, would be nice to see it either a bit more fleshed out or consistent. Maybe have another category for DLC additions or new content for ongoing games (like the new expansions for Neverwinter or new content for games like ESO or Warcraft) along with games that are event based like Fortnite and Siege.
Kaitlyn Red Wing [1:46 PM]
I think the “Best Art Direction” could either include more games that have unique art styles like Celeste or Bendy and the Ink Machine or maybe have another category that’s about the Art Style of a game. Though RDR2 and AC:O are beautiful, it’s increasingly more common for games to just look nice and I’d like to see games that step out of the box and do something unique get recognition.
Em [1:46 PM]
Yes I agree with that!
Kaitlyn Red Wing [1:47 PM]
Ongoing games are definitely more common and for sure could be fleshed out more but I’m really glad No Man’s Sky made that list
TylerMV [1:54 PM]
@Em I think I agree, I was expecting to see juggernauts like World Of Warcraft on there but I am pleased with No Man’s Sky. @Kaitlyn Red Wing I also agree. Would like to see more out of the box type stuff featured. Not to say triple A artists shouldn’t be celebrated but you’d certainly like to see innovative designs in this category.
Kaitlyn Red Wing [1:56 PM]
There should be a category that features art direction for games that do a great job at how the art looks and moves and works with high-quality games. But then have one that features innovative designs. There just needs to be another category and I’d be happy.
TylerMV [1:57 PM]
I think as far as games within categories go, Fighting games was pretty weak this year. Every other Nominee list seems to have 5 games and this one only had 4 and they’re not like… the greatest games. I think that’s more indicative of a down year for fighting games though. I’ve also never heard of any of the Best Strategy games Nominee’s. As far as weak categories, best eSports Events, Hosts and Coaches I think are hugely unnecessary. Best eSports Team, Player and Game is fine but they’re getting pretty niche with those other selections.
Not a ton of diversity in the content creator section too. Seems like all Battle Royale streamers? I get Ninja, he’s pretty on top right now. But would like to see more podcasters, writers, games journalists, youtube show hosts… more gaming content outside of Twitch.
Em [1:59 PM]
Yeah I thought coaches was a weird one. I felt a bit :unamused::unamused::unamused::unamused: about it
Kaitlyn Red Wing [2:00 PM]
I didn’t play the fighting games so I didn’t feel confident in really saying whether or not it was weak or not. For the esports events, hosts, and coaches, I think that is becoming its own industry and is important to companies and people looking for the best. We have clients that are in the medical industry who are looking to partner with esports teams and coaches so having a category for those people makes sense to me.
We have awards for hosts of TV shows so why not video games?
Em [2:01 PM]
I’m just really not into esports so my opinion on it is generally biased
Kaitlyn Red Wing [2:02 PM]
And that’s valid. But it’s a billion dollar industry, it would be sort of ridiculous to not have categories regarding eSports.
Em [2:03 PM]
Which is fine. You do you, esports.
Kaitlyn Red Wing [2:07 PM]
@TylerMV I would also love to see Podcasters, writers, and the likes getting nominated. We should start a Game Industry Award where we nominate those involved with video games and not the games themselves.
Em [2:07 PM]
Popular social media accounts, blogs, podcasts, websites
People making great fan art content
Kaitlyn Red Wing [2:09 PM]
Magazines, movies(or short videos comprised of video game footage made by fans)
TylerMV [2:16 PM]
That’s not a bad idea. We can have the first annual Game Industry awards on Game Savvy this year!
Kaitlyn Red Wing [2:21 PM]
Haha, not like we’ve been preparing or anything (edited)
TylerMV [2:23 PM]
ALRIGHT, the last couple of questions and then I can dub this a SUCCESSFUL Boss Fight Friday.
Question 8: How do we feel about single episodes being nominated for game awards?
Life Is Strange 2: Episode 1 is up for best narrative and Games for Impact. How do we feel about single episodes being nominated for game awards?
Em [2:28 PM]
I think it’s fine. If the single episode has enough of a narrative and enough impact to qualify alongside full games then it deserves it.
Kaitlyn Red Wing [2:28 PM]
I’m okay with it. The episodes aren’t very short and so much can happen in one episode that if done right, it can be really impressive.
TylerMV [2:36 PM]
See, I’m on the fence. I agree with you guys but at the same time, you wouldn’t nominate a single chapter for Book Of The Year (another possible Game Savvy Awards segment but I digress). Also, is this the only Chapter they’re allowed to submit? Because a 5 chapter game means 5 different shots at winning an award which seems unfair to other games who have, theoretically, just one shot. Not only that, what if one chapter is great and the other 4 chapters are complete dog shit? That’s the game they want as their best narrative game? I think I’d rather them judge the full body of work than just bits and pieces of a much more grand story.
And then as far as Impact goes, what Impact? We’re not even going to get the full message the story is trying to convey until the full story comes out.
I’m no longer on the fence I’m convinced they should wait until the full game. UNLESS, because Chapter 1 released in 2018, they’re ineligible to submit in 2019. In that case, I totally understand but those are stupid rules
Kaitlyn Red Wing [2:40 PM]
You don’t wait until a whole series of a game is released to judge it. We judge the one game. Life Is Strange is just a much smaller scale of that. Each of their episodes has complete story arcs just like an individual game does
It’s a different type of game. You pay for each episode, or you can pay for all at once just like many games. You can buy one or when they’re all out they sometimes release them together.
TylerMV [2:47 PM]
I respectfully disagree @Kaitlyn Red Wing. After the first episode of the first Life Is Strange, I had NO idea what’s going on. There’s drama and superpowers and relationships and a mystery and a gun pops out and you’re like, woah wtf? And it’s not until Chapter 5 I got the full picture. Sure there are micro-stories happening here and there but I considered these like side quests in Red Dead Redemption 2. One good sidequest, or one good microstory within the full breadth of the story doesn’t make it a great game (even though Life Is Strange was an awesome game). Same with Life is Strange: Before The Storm. I have NO idea what’s going to happen in the next chapter. All I know is it ended with a burning tree for SOME reason but otherwise, the chapter had no impact and not a complete narrative. (edited)
I haven’t played Life Is Strange 2: Chapter 1, but based on the first two games, I doubt it has a full narrative being able to compete with the complete narratives of the other games. Same with the Impact of the game
BUT I totally see if from your perspective (edited)
Kaitlyn Red Wing [2:52 PM]
I’m just being a devil’s advocate here because I also see your point but I still think games that are episodic should be able to submit episodes. You never know, the episode could be fantastic. But I haven’t played Life Is Strange 2 cause I’m impatient so I’ll want to play it all at once
TylerMV [2:54 PM]
Ya I’m the same way I have to wait for the full game 🙂
I still have to finish before the storm
Kaitlyn Red Wing [2:57 PM]
Me too, I’m halfway through it
Question 9: Did PlayStation dominate this year?
TylerMV [3:05 PM]
Question 9 (The final question): There’s certainly a lack of Nintendo and Xbox representation on this list and it’s a really a dominant display of exclusives for PlayStation on this list. Would you say PlayStation wins console of the year just based on the number of nominations and amazing games they came out with this year?
Em [3:07 PM]
Well, I bought a PlayStation this year, after years of thinking we didn’t need one because we were Xbox players, and for me that speaks to the fact that they really hit it out of the park this year.
Kaitlyn Red Wing [3:09 PM]
@Em I also bought a PlayStation this year instead of upgrading my Xbox because the number of exclusives they have are too good to pass up on. There’s still some Nintendo in the Family category and that’s not surprising as their games are very family-friendly. If Smash had came out earlier and WASNT a GOTY contender I’d maybe think differently but I think Nintendo didn’t lose in any means against PlayStation this year. Xbox, yes.
TylerMV [3:13 PM]
As someone who doesn’t own a PlayStation, from the outside looking in, they fucking kicked ass this year. My heart breaks when I hear about how amazing God Of War or Spider-Man is because I can’t play it. And it’s really made me reconsider who I might be investing in the next console generation. So I would say they killed it this year and would definitely get my console of the year award.
And that’s pretty much it! Thank you all for a SUCCESSFUL Final Boss Friday. Sorry the corpse of Sterling couldn’t attend as he is, well, dead and I think Steven had a court to Jester this morning. But huge round of applause for @Em and @Kaitlyn Red Wing for joining us :clap:
Em [3:16 PM]
Kaitlyn Red Wing [3:16 PM]
High-Five to us! Thanks for the great questions @TylerMV !
Steven Jones [6:13 PM]
*Shows up in jester costume* Guys I made it am I late?
Em [6:14 PM]
Dad said you could add in your answers later if you wanted, so no?